Every generation of MacBook Pro compared!

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  • Luke Miani
    Luke Miani   2 months back

    Guys I know there’s no G5 PowerBook, I misspoke and corrected with text in the video K thx

    • Ryan Cuda
      Ryan Cuda  1 months back

      yes... and no... the final iteration of the PowerBook G4s with the 1.67Ghz procs were not actually G4s. The very last models of PowerBook G4 (2005-2006) claimed to ship with a "PowerPC 7447B", which doesn't actually exist in any of Motorola or IBM literature. The chips that shipped in these late model PowerBooks were actually PowerPC 7448 processors underclocked to 1.67Ghz from their native clock speed of 2.0Ghz or 2.33Ghz depending on the piece of silicon, which are part of the "Apollo 8" CPU architecture vs. the "Apollo 7" CPU architecture of the previous model PowerPC 7447A that the immediately previous generation of PowerBook G4s shipped with. Also, the amount of on die memory was limited to artificially enforce 32 bit instruction capability, but otherwise the 7447B was essentially the G5 PowerBook that never was. Want proof? The final iteration of PowerBook G4 utilized DDR2 RAM, whereas the second to last PowerBooks utilized older DDR RAM. The reason for the decision to kneecap these processors by underclocking them and limiting them to 32 bits was twofold: G5s were quite fast for the time but were power hungry and generated substantial amounts of heat that the cooling system on the PowerBook G4 could not keep up with. The other reason for the decision was purely strategic - with the impending switch to Intel, the lowest model of the new intel Macs would ship with 32 bit Intel Core Duos (or Solos) clocked at 1.67 Ghz, so having a faster 64 bit option on an older product line was unacceptable. Despite Intel's CPUs being dual core, a similarly clocked single core G5 would run circles around their contemporary dual core Intel chips in terms of sheer performance in almost all benchmarks, not to mention being 64 bit (in all iterations of true G5 other than the intentionally hamstrung PowerBooks). Keep in mind that back in the early to mid 2000s, most computers still had a single core CPU and software was not written to take advantage of multi threading, so the only truly meaningful benchmarks and real world performance that mattered at the time were single threaded applications, which PowerPC excelled at while Intel was just okay at. Then you take into consideration the difference between RISC (PowerPC) vs. CISC (Intel) architecture and its easy to see why Apple made the decision to cripple the final iteration of PowerBook. If they hadn't, the new Intel based MacBook line would have been a complete failure. Apple's decision to move to Intel was pretty much entirely about their laptop line. While the G5s were more than powerful enough, IBM/Motorola failed to produce an energy efficient variant of the G5 that could be used in laptops without negatively impacting battery life, noise and heat output. Intel just happened to be "good enough" at the time. if a competing CPU architecture, eg; ARM or SPARC for instance were producing a viable CPU at the time, Apple likely would have switched to that. They did it before from 68K to PPC, and they'll do it again at some point in the near future from Intel to their own ARM based CPUs that are in use in their non-PC lines, iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch and Apple TV. Its only a matter of time.

    • bigshoe84ify
      bigshoe84ify  1 months back

      Does anyone know if the mid 2012 15" with the higher resolution screen option but not retina actually has a different screen or is done with the graphics chip/board? Thanks

    • Hiimbutter
      Hiimbutter  2 months back

      mmmmhmm yes

    • Steve, TheDailyShaver
      Steve, TheDailyShaver  2 months back

      September will ONLY see a basic 13" with no touchbar for the back to school crowd in the US. The iPad and iPhone will see changed lineup as features are added or lineup in the case of the iPhone. 2020 is the 10mn 16" macbook launch (17" in a smaller size than the 2013 replacment). Same for iMac, no refresh until 2020

    • Jason
      Jason  2 months back

      FRACK YOUR APOLOGY PEACHES! 😡

  • alvast verstandige
    alvast verstandige  21 hours back

    i love my late 2013 macbook pro 13", and hate my late 2016 mac book pro 13"

    • Elliot Björksdóttir
      Elliot Björksdóttir  2 days back

      Super thanks for this! I will buy a Mac mini 2019 as my work computer and still be using my beloved mid 2012 Mac Book Pro as my casual, and wait for the new line up if I feel the need to upgrade to a new laptop.

      • Haunted
        Haunted  2 days back

        Thinking about picking up a used mid 2012 unibody Macbook Pro in 2019

        • Shriram Alagarasan
          Shriram Alagarasan  2 days back

          Still using the late 2016 MacBook Pro,I may upgrade to the new one which would be launching this year!!

          • Daavvviid
            Daavvviid  3 days back

            I still use the late 2008 MacBook Pro 15"

            • Gregg Chmara
              Gregg Chmara  5 days back

              I started with the original (yes ORIGINAL) Mac before hard drives. Age and income have stopped my hardware purchases with a mi-2011 MacBook Pro 17" which has had some work done to it - but is still going. Same Year I got an IMac 27" I-7 which has died on several occasions and finally swapped for a 27" I5. (Heat here in Tucson killed lots of stuff last year when I had no air conditioning -- so I only used the Pro in AC places, like coffee shops. My eyesight and program needs make me a 17 inch user -- which seems to have been permanently relegated to a "we cannot make a buck so let's discontinue big screens" bucket.

              • Gorditcho
                Gorditcho  6 days back

                Thanks for the great video, Subscribed! I currently own a 2009 17" in beautiful condition I got on eBay for $200 USD. And only last night I bought early 2011 17" for $550 USD. Hopefully I'll be one of the lucky ones re. the graphics issues. One thing though, the E key is very worn which worries me slightly. I guess time will tell. I just love these old 17" MacBook Pros and I used to be into PCs!

                • Gorditcho
                  Gorditcho  4 days back

                  @Btray05 Thanks! Luckily it comes with an SSD, and I'll definitely upgrade to 16GB of RAM. I think it has a matt screen and I think I like the gloss better? What do you think?

                • Btray05
                  Btray05  5 days back

                  Gorditcho the 2011 is good just upgrade it I upgraded it with 16 go of ram and a ssd and now I use it more than my mba

              • Barrie Moorcroft
                Barrie Moorcroft  1 weeks back

                I also noticed how thin the bezels were on the first ten of MacBook Pros.

                • Barrie Moorcroft
                  Barrie Moorcroft  1 weeks back

                  Another excellent Video.
                  But Luke please step back from the camera a little, your face is uncomfortably close on my 65inch TV.
                  You definitely have your own style of presentation.
                  I. Like. The. Way. You. Present. Your. Videos. With. Perfect. Diction.

                  • Travis Moore
                    Travis Moore  1 weeks back

                    With only 67k subs and you are filling your videos full of ads....gtfo. I couldnt think of a better way to grow your channel at a snails pace.

                    • Me Nature
                      Me Nature  1 weeks back

                      I still got one of those rainbow apple logo stickers that comes with it.

                      • APlusGamer2004
                        APlusGamer2004  2 weeks back

                        I just upgraded to the 2019 MacBook Pro because my 2010 MacBook Air broke

                        • Ragnarok_Cactus
                          Ragnarok_Cactus  2 weeks back

                          While ik they won’t do it, I really want to see how an all and MacBook Pro would perform

                          • shayakumar thiyagalingam

                            My favourite 2012 MacBook Pro a1278 13 inch ii5 750gb hard drive

                            • Dana Bihn
                              Dana Bihn  2 weeks back

                              it’s crazy how much has changed in 13 years! wow!

                              • XMattingly
                                XMattingly  2 weeks back

                                Had a 2016 13” MBP (no Touch Bar), it was hands down the best price / performance / portability laptop I’ve ever owned. LOVED that laptop... and that’s saying a lot, since it was replaced by a 2018 15” beast with 32gb. 😁

                                • ivar hosteng
                                  ivar hosteng  2 weeks back

                                  The 8 core 2019 Mbp 15" seem to have solved the cooling problem. I have no thermal problems and when don't use the machine hard it does no longer get the fryingpan over the keyboard, The difference from the 6 core i9 in the 2018 model is like day and night.

                                  • bottomburp
                                    bottomburp  3 weeks back

                                    I'm still using my 2009 17" MacBook Pro

                                    • bottomburp
                                      bottomburp  2 weeks back

                                      @Ty C. It seems like the 2009 models had the best build quality, I've only ever had to take mine to the Apple Store once to have the battery replaced. I'm really hoping that the new 16" model will be as good and reliable.

                                    • Ty C.
                                      Ty C.  2 weeks back

                                      I'm still using my 2009 13" MacBook 😂

                                  • Mike Cui
                                    Mike Cui  3 weeks back

                                    My top pick of MacBook Pro for programmers will be the 15inch late 2013 with Iris graphics.

                                    • Vanan Navarasan
                                      Vanan Navarasan  3 weeks back

                                      What is the best second hand MacBook Pro spec for basic video editing? I’m looking to spend around 300-400 dollars

                                      • Peter Brown
                                        Peter Brown  3 weeks back

                                        I still use my 2012 MacBook pro. Tank.

                                        • Ric Lobosco
                                          Ric Lobosco  4 weeks back

                                          I've been considering getting a 2011 MBP. In comparing specs, the "late" models are slightly faster, but I gather you recommend the "early" 2011 model over the "late" version. True?
                                          Not sure if I'll use this as an "iTunes" server for my stereo, or when remote from my desktop 2011 iMac (web, Word, etc, altho I'd still do most of my computing on my iMac).
                                          Thanks!

                                          • Luke Miani
                                            Luke Miani   4 weeks back

                                            The early and late 2011s are essentially the same, there’s no important difference. I recommend avoiding the 15” from that year due to graphics failures

                                        • KoolFOTO
                                          KoolFOTO  1 months back

                                          The last known good MacBook was MacBook Pro late 2015 Retina display.

                                          • Jason Granovsky
                                            Jason Granovsky  1 months back

                                            well done!

                                            • KatBandit
                                              KatBandit  1 months back

                                              I still have the mid 2012 MacBook Pro and well... it’s still kicking. Having troubles with slow startup and relatively short battery life (maybe about 3hrs or so). But still great, I even do some light gaming on it

                                              • Douglas Novo
                                                Douglas Novo  4 weeks back

                                                A new battery, a 256Gb SSD and an internal cleaning with new processor thermal paste and you will have a completely new experience, (for around $100)...

                                            • Nicole
                                              Nicole  1 months back

                                              Just had to buy a 2019 15" MBP because my old 2011 one literally did actually die. the freakin graphics chip soldered to the CPU... smh... Loving this new model though! Haha and I like your content! Cheers

                                              • Nicole
                                                Nicole  1 months back

                                                @Luke Miani true, good idea, I'll look into that thanks!

                                              • Luke Miani
                                                Luke Miani   1 months back

                                                @Nicole You might be able to get $150-$200 for the broken 15" even as it is, Apple laptops are stubbornly expensive even in death haha

                                              • Nicole
                                                Nicole  1 months back

                                                @Luke Miani Oooh I didn't know that they are that cheap but I knew it wasn't worth putting 1k into. And because it wouldn't really "turn on" they wouldn't even offer me any trade in credit at all, they said they can recycle it for free, like...thanks... haha, but can't complain too much, I did get a lot of years out of it, I just kind of wanted to be able to last until the next body style comes out next year but oh well I am really happy with the one I bought

                                              • Luke Miani
                                                Luke Miani   1 months back

                                                @Nicole Thats so unfortunate that they would even consider charging 1K for a replacement, you can get boards for those on eBay for $200. They should have just given you a trade credit towards a new device tbh

                                              • Nicole
                                                Nicole  1 months back

                                                @Luke Miani Yep the 2011 15"! It ran fine until one day like 2 months ago the screen just started displaying bands of red and white, and blue and white, and whatever else. Brought it to the genius bar knowing what they'd probably say. They said that I was the third person that day to bring in a dead GPU on a 15" 2011 MBP! and that because its soldered to the CPU its like $1k to replace it all and the work is only waranteed for like 3 months. So I just ended up pulling the trigger and buying the 2019. so sad, RIP little fella.

                                            • Melody
                                              Melody  1 months back

                                              If someone offered me a brand new 2019 MacBook Pro I would laugh in their face and cuddle my late-2013 13” i7 model.

                                              • Sat chua
                                                Sat chua  1 months back

                                                how come 2006 MacBook Pro has tinnier bezel wtf

                                                • Addissun Rice
                                                  Addissun Rice  1 months back

                                                  Yeah he’s so flipping cute

                                                  • Explorerthefreedom
                                                    Explorerthefreedom  1 months back

                                                    Because my 2017 MacBook Pro version was broken, I decided to upgrade to a 2019 core i9 MacBook Pro

                                                    • Adel Rahimi
                                                      Adel Rahimi  1 months back

                                                      My last MacBook Pro was actually not working, so I had to buy 2019 :))

                                                      • Abdelelah Alnimat
                                                        Abdelelah Alnimat  1 months back

                                                        thank you, really it's great video and history

                                                        • ricky v
                                                          ricky v  1 months back

                                                          I like history and thus watched this with a smile on my face. Good report Luke. Thank you.

                                                          • kevin geno
                                                            kevin geno  1 months back

                                                            The 2012 macbook pro was the last great mac. If just had a retina screen it would have been perfect.

                                                            • Elijah Cedillo
                                                              Elijah Cedillo  1 months back

                                                              The first MacBook pro looked like the 2019 razer pc

                                                              • Andy Shmushkin
                                                                Andy Shmushkin  1 months back

                                                                12:33 "Competition from AMD has lit a fire under Intel's... BUM?" Are you six years old?

                                                                • TechHandle
                                                                  TechHandle  1 months back

                                                                  I miss my Core 2 Duo MBP. Best design and keyboard they've ever had.

                                                                  • Kristian
                                                                    Kristian  1 months back

                                                                    still running my 2012 mbp... it's not doing too well though lol

                                                                    • W4H1D Production
                                                                      W4H1D Production  1 months back

                                                                      Its 2019 and my laptop still doesn't have a graphics card. It rocks on Intel HD Graphics

                                                                      • W4H1D Production
                                                                        W4H1D Production  1 months back

                                                                        Well, my cpu is toyota corolla from the 70s. Intel Celeron @2.16 GHz, so it's really tough for me to play modern games...

                                                                      • Aviators Dream
                                                                        Aviators Dream  1 months back

                                                                        Most laptops don't so don't feel bad.

                                                                    • Cnzrs
                                                                      Cnzrs  1 months back

                                                                      My late 2013 mbp13 is still running as well as it did on day one.

                                                                      • Jamie Goodliffe
                                                                        Jamie Goodliffe  1 months back

                                                                        I have an Early '08 17" MBP and had the aforementioned graphics card issue. I took the whole thing apart and chucked the logic board in the oven for 30 mins at 180 degrees Celsius. Believe it or not, it fixed the issue! Dodgy soldering I guess.

                                                                        • LLM 754
                                                                          LLM 754  1 months back

                                                                          Project zorgo is Watching

                                                                          • Anderson Silva
                                                                            Anderson Silva  1 months back

                                                                            My 1st Mac was indeed the Mid/Late-2007 15" model which, despite the GPU issue, it ran flawlessly in my hands until the day I sold it to buy my current one: the 15" Mid-2012 non-Retina upgraded to its maximum. IMO, this one is the latest MacBook Pro anyone should consider. Honestly, how audacious are Apple to call a totally locked-out machine with soldered components, glued pieces, proprietary screws and no servicability at all as "Pro"? Even worse... now they decided to ditch out the USB port, put a proprietary "securoty chip" and ditch out once again a stupidly realiable component (the keyboard) in exchange for what: looks? Oh, that's really "Pro", you know....

                                                                            Regardless... I really wanted a 17" model but didn't have the opportunity ($$$) back in the day and despite of Apple will try to offer in the future, I'm decided I won't buy any Mac computer anymore BUT I really enjoy using macOS - for quite some time, I'm doing my research for what machine to buy and build a Hackintosh; until then, I hope my current baby lasts for many years to come.


                                                                            And last, but not least... great video, Mr.! I've been following you for quite some time and really enjoying your work - your MacPro5,1 journey and the Black MacBook videos are awesome. You got a new subscriber ;)

                                                                            • Rafael Alvarenga
                                                                              Rafael Alvarenga  1 months back

                                                                              you should have mentioned the changes on the ports and the butterfly keyboard issue. is there an issue?

                                                                              • Jack Lee
                                                                                Jack Lee  1 months back

                                                                                hope apple let amd cpu be a part of macbook amd yes!

                                                                                • blackvulcan3
                                                                                  blackvulcan3  1 months back

                                                                                  Great video Luke. How about the same with iMacs? I have a mid 2010 i7 27 inch with SSD and 2TB 7200 HDD with 32Gb of RAM. Contemplating an upgrade but not to a $6000 (Australian) i9 version.

                                                                                  • Mark M
                                                                                    Mark M  1 months back

                                                                                    The easiest thing to say in that situation is just keep it until something breaks and is way too expensive to fix. It's fast enough for video editing and the i9 is only a few % faster anyways. I say unless you are using it for your business then don't upgrade and save your money.

                                                                                • Gabriel Jimenez
                                                                                  Gabriel Jimenez  1 months back

                                                                                  My first MacBook Pro was 2010 model 15 inches, was a great computer with good performance for its time. Still love that design.