Conflict in Dialogue: How Game of Thrones is Losing its Magic

  • Published: 05 May 2019
  • Game of Thrones is a cultural phenomenon. Many would consider it one of, if not, the best television shows to ever exist. Adapted from the "A Song of Ice and Fire" novels by George R.R. Martin, Game of Thrones is the depiction of powerful families -- kings and queens, knights and renegades, liars and honest men -- playing a deadly game for control of the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros, and to sit atop the Iron Throne. In it's early seasons, praise could go excellent performances, perfect casting, but most importantly...amazing writing. But as the show progressed, it soon surpassed the novels. Forced to work with a rough outline for the rest of the series, Game of Thrones started to struggle notably in it's 7th season. The complex narrative web and a grey presentation of morality fell to the wayside as characters such as Jon Snow and Daenerys Targaryan become the standard, fantasy protagonists A Song of Ice and Fire originally subverted. With the conclusion to the story in Season 8 premiering in April 2019, fans were hopeful for the show to return to it's roots and stick the landing. But after a slow, uneventful two episodes, some are left wondering...How has Game of Thrones lost its magic?

    In this video, Hoodie seeks to answer the question by comparing some of the shows greated(or most underrated) scenes throughout the years to the ones in Season 8 Episode 1.

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  • iBot
    iBot  4 days back

    Game of Thrones lost it's magic way back when S5 started.

    • Timothy Wilkes
      Timothy Wilkes  3 weeks back

      I miss the earlier seasons. I miss those old conversations between Arya and the brotherhood, something warming and special about it.

      "I'm just the lucky drunk who says the words."

      • Jerard Hooks
        Jerard Hooks  4 weeks back

        The core problem with the conflict in season 8 is that there really shouldn't have been any. Realistically, the North had no business wanting to be independent going into a decade winter. They had been at war for years and all of their farmers were fighting the various wars. They only reason that even sort of worked is because they had Sansa pull "enough food to last the winter" out of nowhere. Remember, Sansa had all of the northern lords bring their people and food to Winterfell in season 7. That would mean they have food for 100k+ thousand people. That totally negates any issues they would have with feeding the armies. A world ending threat is at most a week out and, even if they win, they will lose a considerable amount of their population. If they miraculously didn't lose anyone during the fight with the white walkers, they would have food for 5+ years. The show fucked up by cutting the fAegon plot and putting a bunch of characters without cause for natural conflict together.

        • jowelle dfouni
          jowelle dfouni  4 weeks back

          Thank you for this video, indeed reunions were so forced I didn't get any emotions out of them especially Jon and Arya's compared to their parting scene where it was in the beginning of the show but still touched me very deeply. The most important scene where Jon reveals his true identity happens off screen, this was so frustrating, "Bran tell them" and thats it. They refused us the reactions of Arya and Sansa. Anyone else got frustrated by this? Writing was so bad, thank god the actors and crew did an amazing job, however too bad it was butchered by the inconsistent writing...

          • Chris Benn
            Chris Benn  1 months back

            For me, it was only season 8 that was pure trash...

            • Alex Whybrow
              Alex Whybrow  1 months back

              OK even though it didn't serve a purpose, I love the reunion between Theon and Sansa.

              • Jeremiah Kane
                Jeremiah Kane  2 months back

                This kind of bad writing and poorly executed character interactions were present in season 6 as well, the Jon-Sansa reunion for example; they hug each other, and then we cut away to them hours later talking about kidney pies or some bullshit, the conversion wasn't very meaningful and all the interesting stuff they should have talked about supposedly happened off screen for no other reason than... I guess they couldn't figure out how to write decent dialogue for 2 characters they'd been writing about for 5+ years at that point. And it just got worse with every season.

                • SPACE-MAN
                  SPACE-MAN  2 months back

                  Fuck off

                  • MAISON DOG
                    MAISON DOG  2 months back

                    I noticed the downgrade in dialogue from season 6. The scene where Sansa confronts Littlefinger about marrying her off to Ramsay was suddenly just such a different style of writing. It was embarrassing

                    • David Garcia
                      David Garcia  2 months back

                      How's Sansa smart other than just telling people she's smarter than her? Or other people saying she's smart? That doesn't make her smart

                      • Oscuros
                        Oscuros  2 months back

                        09:15, ""... instead "beared" these..."

                        What the fuck is that?

                        The past tense of to bear is bore, like "...they bore no resemblance".

                        Maybe learn to speak English if you expect to be paid for your "journalism" at some point. Beared, lol, hilarious and from a so-called native speaker.

                        What shit standards of English they have in other places, really.

                        • Filip Jeglic
                          Filip Jeglic  2 months back

                          Watching this video a month after Season 8 ended and this really feels nitpicky.
                          Yeah it's not perfect (1. episode), but it wasn't bad tbh...imo probably best episode in Season 8.
                          I know, this was made before...but still.

                          edit: But yeah I agree ofc...I wish Season 8 was great, but it wasn't.

                          • mkiller1001
                            mkiller1001  2 months back

                            Currently rewatching from the start and I can't believe how different these seasons are...Even shooting locations look real and memorable in previous seasons while in season 8 I kept having the feeling that everything is fake CGI. costumes looked dirty and rough in Season 1 as they should be but in season 8 everyone is dressed in high fantasy costumes, Dany especially looks like she just came out of a high elves fantasy.

                            • Cerebral Cortex CEH
                              Cerebral Cortex CEH  2 months back

                              I knew there was BIG trouble in season 8 episode 1 when there was comedy, minus the laugh tracks, on several scenes in the episode. There were some witty comments throughout the series, but it never felt silly and stupid. Like Jon riding a dragon for his first time should have been a serious revelation for him and Dany, since only Targareyn's can ride dragons. Instead there was silly music and goofy scenes happening. Such a terrible fall from grace.

                              • Matt Johnson
                                Matt Johnson  3 months back

                                It was all just setup. Daenerys was played as snotty and entitled... shortly after falling in love with Jon and saying that she hopes she deserves his loyalty.

                                It was all really poor writing to justify and try to arrive at the conclusion of Dany going evil/conqueror... and it still wasn't very convincing. The wrote to the end, not to the characters and their previous behavior and words. The end didn't make sense tracking some of the major characters for the last couple seasons.

                                • Bilz Domino
                                  Bilz Domino  3 months back

                                  Good thing it got better...... 😢 better at being shitty

                                  • Tito Pabon Jr
                                    Tito Pabon Jr  3 months back

                                    S8 makes S7 look like a masterpiece! Way 2 much bad writing, plot armour and Dany goes Mad Queen in 1 episode! Dany should've attacked King's Landing in S7 when Dany had all 3 dragons and her allies!! She could depose Cersei! The Night King would never have killed Viserion and destroyed a piece of the wall! Tyrion WAS protecting Jaime and Cersei! Jaime also threw away his redemption arc 2 die with Cersei instead of killing her!

                                    • Miguel Delgado
                                      Miguel Delgado  3 months back

                                      ah, the privilege of criticize without being accountable. It' s easy, isn't it? If you are so good at creative writing, when can we have at least some fan fiction or even better a novel? No? Oh, come on, I'm sure you can stop playing Xbox and do something more constructive than pooping with such elegance.

                                      • Olof
                                        Olof  3 months back

                                        Good observation

                                        • Eddison Tollett
                                          Eddison Tollett  3 months back

                                          Jon « Geatjon» Umber se1ep10: « My friends!.. My fiends!.. Here is what I say to these two writers. (spits). David Benioff is nothing to me, nor Dan Weiss neither. Why should they write over G R.R. M. from some shit in the script? What do they know of the books or the characters? Even their Gods are wrong!»

                                          • keep itsteel
                                            keep itsteel  3 months back

                                            Your comments about sansa lead me to believe your abit of an idiot lol

                                            • Samuel Jackson
                                              Samuel Jackson  3 months back

                                              These later seasons of Game of Thrones really make you appreciate just how skilled of a writer GRRM is. Season 4 episode 6 was the peak for Game of Thrones imho.

                                              • Patryk
                                                Patryk  3 months back

                                                I was also lacking the battle motivational speech, no man would follow you into a battle if they are not motivated, Tyrion in season 2 give such speech when defending kings landing from Stannis, why now everybody just agreed to fight like paid mercenaries? I heard that they are free man, willing to choose what they want. Nobody wants to die in a battle unless he sees the opportunity in it.

                                                • Patryk
                                                  Patryk  3 months back

                                                  dumb and dumber just don't know how to write the dialogue, they know only how to write epic scenes and realistic environments, but it's shame that with this amount of budget they cannot hire someone to write dialogue, they could hire even GorgeRR himself to write the series finale

                                                  • dabadadeeda
                                                    dabadadeeda  3 months back

                                                    "increasingly small" = decreasing

                                                    • Jaymeehoffstar;)
                                                      Jaymeehoffstar;)  3 months back

                                                      Most characters acted way out of...character, especially the ridiculousness of Dany massacring everyone n everything....crappy, lame, badly thought out ending to G.O.T by sucks.

                                                      • Josh Bourke
                                                        Josh Bourke  3 months back

                                                        Chaos isn't a pit.....chaos is a ramp

                                                        • DAJOKER808
                                                          DAJOKER808  3 months back


                                                          • Kazataca
                                                            Kazataca  3 months back

                                                            Well, this video is going to age like fine wine now

                                                            • yannis zaxaro
                                                              yannis zaxaro  3 months back

                                                              it is so complex they had to make a fisnish or a finish at all and how many ppl could understand no finish and deep psycology andpolitics?

                                                              • gigi
                                                                gigi  3 months back

                                                                100% agreed.

                                                                • IlluminaAssel
                                                                  IlluminaAssel  3 months back

                                                                  Just a blink of an eye and.. Huh? What happened? One character seems to has fallen deep into anmesia and the others needs something like an social worker to watch over them.. as dump as they are now, it just can be some kind of a illness inside their brains... But no... It must be the audience who has become braindead! Cause how could an intelligent being ever overseeing the brilliance of a zombie polarbear? (I'm no native speaker, so please forgive me if I've written something wrong)

                                                                  • PeWpwNizZleE
                                                                    PeWpwNizZleE  3 months back

                                                                    Oh boy you definitely got your "strong recovery" :.D

                                                                    • hae chan
                                                                      hae chan  3 months back

                                                                      i just knew there was something wrong. ever since season 6 the dialogue just didn’t sound the same anymore. it was like i jumped from medieval europe to early 2000s oh my god. i thought i was just being over critical, but it was actually just horrible.

                                                                      • Bob Spencer
                                                                        Bob Spencer  3 months back

                                                                        No it never lost its magic it was AWESOME all the away to the end.

                                                                        • Jessica Dead
                                                                          Jessica Dead  3 months back

                                                                          I've seen a few whiney fan videos about how the writing was bad but no proper justification other than it didnt play out how they wanted. This video is a great writing critique

                                                                          • Owen Denchy
                                                                            Owen Denchy  3 months back

                                                                            Typical shitty writing and the only reason that the women appear to be smart is because the men have been dumbed down to the max. That's not an accomplishment ladies.
                                                                            Apart from that, Sansa has had everything handed to her on a plate, if it were not for the men she would have been dead long ago, she's useless and Arya is just a snotty kid that didn't learn anything much with her time in bravos, the waif kicked her arse every time they fought and it was only the plot armour that got her out of Bravos alive. The show was finished after season 4, 5 at the very limit and that's really pushing it, absolutely terrible writing and super rushed.

                                                                            • Owen Denchy
                                                                              Owen Denchy  3 months back

                                                                              How wrong you were, it was the worst possible ending ever.

                                                                              • Timothy Arnold
                                                                                Timothy Arnold  3 months back

                                                                                Now THIS is a legitimate criticism. I have no problem with anything that occurred, other than slight differences (I would have had Jon abdicate) I just didnt like how they got there. The political rants about how certain characters ended based solely on their lady parts... just arent legitimate.

                                                                                • QueenCersei Lannister
                                                                                  QueenCersei Lannister  3 months back

                                                                                  Sansa acted like a snotty bitch to Dany for NO reason this season. Her becoming queen of the North was utterly lackluster and had me giving zero amount of f*Cks. The writers destroyed these characters arcs. Not just destroyed, annihilated. Oh, and lets have Dany give EVERYTHING she has, armies, her children, loved ones, etc, to help Sansas north, only to have Dany treated like utter shite and have her character development go down to toilet. What the EFF were d&d thinking!?!?

                                                                                  • Chris A. Medina
                                                                                    Chris A. Medina  3 months back

                                                                                    Dipshit and Dumphuck are as shallow, anti intellectual hacks.

                                                                                    • Annie1962
                                                                                      Annie1962  3 months back

                                                                                      well it didn't pan out. They've taken off in a hurry to do the new Star Wars movie.

                                                                                      • S B
                                                                                        S B  3 months back

                                                                                        This is what we get when money overpowers art ... when suits refuse to bend the knee. Ask George RR Martin how he really feels about all this. As good as this series was, it only reached about 85% of its potential.

                                                                                        • Spencer Yo
                                                                                          Spencer Yo  3 months back

                                                                                          I’ve always said Season 4 is the best, glad I’m not completely crazy

                                                                                          • whoisrune
                                                                                            whoisrune  3 months back

                                                                                            The gods have forsaken us

                                                                                            • Christian Qb
                                                                                              Christian Qb  3 months back

                                                                                              Can you add spanish subtitle ? please dude :(

                                                                                              • Eric Pro
                                                                                                Eric Pro  3 months back

                                                                                                somehow i felt disappointed abt season 7 and 8 but i can't quite explain why. this analysis accurately explains why s7,8 sucked.

                                                                                                • Filip Orvik
                                                                                                  Filip Orvik  3 months back

                                                                                                  Comparing season 8 with the best season of the show xD