How pinball gave video games their bad reputation


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  • Dirk selbee
    Dirk selbee  6 days back

    The problem isn't pinball or video games, it's the profit motive that invents things to exploit addictive personalities. These past times could do without it's legacy of gambling methods and be much better for it.

    The issue _isn't_ entertainment, its *Capitalism.*

    • Smile_Slime
      Smile_Slime  1 weeks back

      That was entertaining!

      • Fithrealmhuntsman
        Fithrealmhuntsman  2 weeks back

        Now I wanna find a sunken slot machine

        • Dustin Rodriguez
          Dustin Rodriguez  1 months back

          While I do really appreciate the interesting history lesson about pinball, I don't think it has a ton to do with the modern opposition to videogames that features fictional characters depicted doing immoral acts. I think most of that modern opposition stems instead from language. When a parent sees their offspring sitting on a couch pressing buttons on a controller, causing the fictional character on the screen to 'shoot' another character, how do they talk about it? They say that their kid just shot another person. Shooting people is a big deal. It's a very bad thing to do. And so there are a large number of negative emotional associations connected to ideas like shooting people. The fact that they're using these words to refer to a situation in which there is no shooting, and no people, would only be significant if they were engaging in thought. But they don't. They simply feel those negative associations and they react to them.

          If they truly had some qualms about fictional characters being depicted gunning one another down, based on actual thought rather than reactive emotion, then their response would be tempered by the fact that if fictional characters lives have importance and moral consequence, the much larger number of characters which are 'born' when the game is begun compared to the small number 'killed' makes videogames overall a vastly life-positive enterprise. Their kid gives birth to thousands every day!

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            • eleveatorbeat
              eleveatorbeat  2 months back

              What a sin for America ...

              • Sanith Tep
                Sanith Tep  3 months back

                I hate how adult blame items for behavior. It like blaming on the drug then the person taking the drug.

                • Jack Bradsell
                  Jack Bradsell  3 months back

                  Hey Polygon, do yall think you might ever do a video showing some of Cass Murphy's MMO stunts? I want wine mom videos.

                  • Doctor Dex
                    Doctor Dex  3 months back

                    When I get old I'm going to complain that social media is poisoning the minds of our youth.

                    • SnackHouse Chickens and Gaming

                      As someone who grew up around Pinball this is actually really interesting, I legit didn’t know anything about this and it’s fascinating! I will say one thing however, shaking the machine enough to move the ball but not enough to tilt is a strategy the pros use even today, I would know seeing as my little brother won the title of Pinball World Champion in 2016

                      • balrogdahomie
                        balrogdahomie  5 months back

                        To be fair Loot Boxes are totally gambling

                        • Parker Addams
                          Parker Addams  5 months back

                          I will watch any video that Simone is in, thank you Polygon, please give her a raise or at least a crisp high-five.

                          • Keenan Green
                            Keenan Green  5 months back

                            Whoa loot boxes actually are gambling. Don’t defend them. Games in general though? Definitely not gambling.

                            • Shinyoung Park
                              Shinyoung Park  6 months back

                              You look a lot like Nikki Cross, lady.

                              • C.J. Alicandro
                                C.J. Alicandro  6 months back

                                good job on this video, simone

                                • Shane Lynn
                                  Shane Lynn  6 months back


                                  • Garrett Harinen
                                    Garrett Harinen  6 months back

                                    I hate her and idk why

                                    • Victor Goncharov
                                      Victor Goncharov  6 months back

                                      I love your voice, Simone! ❤️

                                      • Nitay Mizrachi
                                        Nitay Mizrachi  6 months back

                                        Great video, as always. But I'd love it if you put citations in the description or something, so I could continue to learn about the topic on my own. Thank you for your amazing videos anyway!

                                        • mermaidfinn
                                          mermaidfinn  6 months back

                                          my dad's had a pinball machine since he was 12 because he won it in a pinball competition. i've always loved playing it AND video games so this history is so so fascinating! love u simone!!

                                          • ashsweet
                                            ashsweet  6 months back

                                            I played one (1) video game and now I’m gay and I kill for sport.

                                            • feh meh
                                              feh meh  6 months back

                                              For one, pinball cabinets before flippers have been demonstrably proven to be games of skill. They are not in casinos for a reason. Secondly, the false equivalencies in this video are staggering. Having a psychologically engineered skinner box in front of a kid is not the same as every childhood concern ever just because some scare about something tangetially related in previous generations. It would be like if you followed up the line about weed with hinting that smoking meth is safe. Just random trivia followed by unargued suggestively lead leaps.

                                              • Rick Raymo
                                                Rick Raymo  6 months back

                                                This is spectacular!!!!
                                                Thank you.
                                                Well done.
                                                You rock.

                                                • jonn mace
                                                  jonn mace  7 months back

                                                  Now this is quality content. Well done.

                                                  • Individual .Human
                                                    Individual .Human  7 months back

                                                    Great vid. The subject of game history is on point.

                                                    • MrIcenice44
                                                      MrIcenice44  7 months back

                                                      Jim Sterling is the "Simpsons did it" of gaming content

                                                      • Envy Adams
                                                        Envy Adams  7 months back

                                                        Let's not pretend lootboxes aren't gambling with a cheeky framing device, alright ?

                                                        • Wicked Erebus
                                                          Wicked Erebus  7 months back

                                                          Ah Nintendo, I remember playing slots, roulette, and card games like Poker and

                                                          • Nicholas Luck
                                                            Nicholas Luck  7 months back

                                                            I wish Simone was my weird cousin.

                                                            • Rachel Mottershead
                                                              Rachel Mottershead  7 months back

                                                              This is so interesting! I've been researching the overlap between video games and gambling from a legal standpoint for an article and Simone brought up some information and ideas I hadn't come across before that gave me a new perspective

                                                              • Duddridge1
                                                                Duddridge1  7 months back

                                                                So.. Pinball was an issue and even turned the balls into bullets. Good to know. Good. To. Know.

                                                                • Samuel Sharpe
                                                                  Samuel Sharpe  7 months back

                                                                  I enjoyed this video but the pacing between sentences seemed awkwardly slow. I don't know why but it made me uncomfortable.

                                                                  • Remmy Lebo
                                                                    Remmy Lebo  7 months back

                                                                    Dope Team Alpha Gaming Certified :)

                                                                    • NickieB
                                                                      NickieB  7 months back

                                                                      I have never and will never gamble... The idea of gambling scares me because I feel like I'd EASILY get addicted

                                                                      • lylelay
                                                                        lylelay  7 months back

                                                                        You keep saying Pinball and showing pictures of Bingo machines (I admit most of your closeups are Pinballs but the old long shots are mostly Bingos)

                                                                        • A
                                                                          A  7 months back

                                                                          You didn't really connect how pinball gave video games a bad name. I get where you were going with it but the point was never actually made. You just made an obscure connection with how pinball was hated there for that's why video games get a lot of flack. Thats about it. I think you missed the mark.

                                                                          • DilShmil
                                                                            DilShmil  7 months back

                                                                            We were just talking about this in our Business of Video Games class at NYU!! Even the comparison to Fortnite and Lootboxes today. Pretty sure you've been talking with Joost Van Dreunen, Simone!

                                                                            • Jun Lee
                                                                              Jun Lee  7 months back

                                                                              If y-e-s spells yes, E-y-e-s spells? @4:22

                                                                              • Majestic AF
                                                                                Majestic AF  7 months back

                                                                                While looking through my subscriptions I saw this channel within them... I have never seen this channel before, never heard of this channel, and I definitely have NEVER subscribed to this channel so therefore I'm going to guess you bought subs and that's how you got in my list. FYI I am no longer subscribed to you because this content is irrelevant to me!

                                                                                • Matt Williams
                                                                                  Matt Williams  7 months back

                                                                                  This felt like a Vox video

                                                                                  • pigsareit
                                                                                    pigsareit  7 months back

                                                                                    The intro made me angry and I almost just disliked and quit the video. I wouldn't be surprised if that happened to a lot of other video game fans

                                                                                    • Dardan
                                                                                      Dardan  7 months back

                                                                                      Super interesting video!

                                                                                      • Erich Blume
                                                                                        Erich Blume  7 months back

                                                                                        Simone got married?! To Le Guardia?! Old-timey babies?!!!?

                                                                                        • Paige 404
                                                                                          Paige 404  7 months back

                                                                                          Surprised you didn't mention Nintendo's own history with gambling and organized crime, printing hanafuda cards long before they were making video games.

                                                                                          • Gandalf the Rad
                                                                                            Gandalf the Rad  7 months back

                                                                                            Mmmm I love pinball. The real ones with flippers and such. The bells and lights and just simple fun has them remaining as my favorite all around game machine

                                                                                            • Marc Standley
                                                                                              Marc Standley  7 months back

                                                                                              Let's not ignore the veteran at 01:39 with freakin' hooks for hands!

                                                                                              • syntheticgerbil
                                                                                                syntheticgerbil  7 months back

                                                                                                Restrained Simone due to Polygon's shift in management makes me sad. :(

                                                                                                • Demosthenes
                                                                                                  Demosthenes  7 months back

                                                                                                  This was not in depth enough. Many videos on Polygon have been fantastic but this, felt more insincere and buzzfeed like. Please improve and provide more indepth details and coverage.