Half in the Bag: Joker

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  • Adrián Romero
    Adrián Romero  1 hours back

    HAVE YOU WATCHED THE MOVIE??

    • Adam Sundquist
      Adam Sundquist  2 hours back

      You guys really need to do "Bumblebee". You've said you hate all the Transformer films so why not give the good one a watch/review?

      • jimshaly1
        jimshaly1  2 hours back

        I don't really think either of them really watched everything close enough, especially Jay. So here's my biggest takeaway from seeing it just this morning.

        SPOILERS!!!!

        The political revolt in the movie is there not to show that Arthur had political motive, but to show that he doesn't. He tells Murray Franklin that his clown get up is not for the protests and is not political. The protests happening around the rich and powerful happens without his initial knowledge or involvement. No matter what other people think or believe about the initial killings and Thomas Wayne's comments around it, Arthur's motivation doesn't change. It's not political, it's about me. Everyone who has wronged me will "get what they fucking deserve." The young men on the tram. His mother. Murray Franklin. His co-worker/friend. Even the young woman he was simply fantasizing about. They didn't die because of political or classist motivation. They died because they had "wronged" him.

        And that leads to Joker having the only thing he ever wanted when he finds himself in front of the riot crowd after being freed from the cruiser. Validation and recognition. It wouldn't matter if the protests were about killing the rich or the fact that tomatoes cost too much. He achieved the validation on recognition he craved throughout the entire movie. Even when he attempted to confront Wayne, he didn't want anything other than to be validated and recognized as who he thought he was. And it was when he found out that he isn't anybody it all shattered. He wasn't Thomas Wayne's son. He wasn't even his mother's son. He no longer had a real identity. Not until he decided he was Joker.

        That's all I've got to say right now. I don't have a big final point about how I viewed the film. But those were my big takeaways, which Mike mostly got. Although, I do disagree about the "obvious things" he didn't like in the beginning half of the film. I think it was important to know that he isn't just starting his descent into madness from when we start watching. He's not all fine (or even mostly fine) at the start of the picture, then he just has a really bad week that wrecks it all. This has been happening his whole life. We just happened to pop in when he finally loses it and accepts chaos.

        PS - I know I mentioned it above, but I'm not 100% sure he actually killed the young woman (Sophie was her name? I think?) in her apartment. The movie doesn't show, of course. After realizing it was all in his head, he leaves the apartment in a huff and then just has a further mental breakdown in his underwear for a couple days until he's invited to Murray Franklin. I'm just not sure he did.

        • eet
          eet  2 hours back

          Pseudobulbar Affect (PBA): uncontrollable inappropriate laughing or crying, can be caused by severe head trauma.

          • bigger bird
            bigger bird  4 hours back

            holy cringe

            • Alexander Larkin
              Alexander Larkin  4 hours back

              Jay, is there any movie you don’t have issues with?

              • Travis McNasty
                Travis McNasty  4 hours back

                "there was nothing to determine a revolution on Gotham" the first thing they talk about is the garbage collector strike. Something that actually was a huge class issue in London.

                Jay is just determined to hate this movie.

                • Ranger Red
                  Ranger Red  4 hours back

                  "Mike and Jay thought their lives were a comedy but then realized they were a tragedy. So then they saw the Joker movie." relatable description

                  • Nicholas Vittoria
                    Nicholas Vittoria  5 hours back

                    I agree with most of the points, but the one major point (in my opinion) that is misinterpreted is that he never actually undergoes a transformation into the Joker. He's the joker the whole time, but stuck behind the character of Arthur. When he loses all the pieces of Arthur's identity (job, support structure, his mother's perceived loyalty, admiration for his hero) and pieces of the Joker start pushing out and he takes his first life (well 3), then he finally feels whole and free. I think that first moment of "happiness" we see in the bathroom dance is the real identity celebrating his release. It's inferred that he spent time in an asylum previously so there's obviously a history, and the lack of medication is almost a red herring. Maybe his condition was just that Joker identity laughing at Arthur's weakness. I also like the idea of Murray invoking the name of that "demon" within Arthur as the Joker, kind of spurring him along into the final act.

                    • TheSpoonyBard
                      TheSpoonyBard  5 hours back

                      Biased AND uninformed? Classic RedLetterMedia!

                      • Captain Unusual
                        Captain Unusual  5 hours back

                        So many missed points.

                        • Luis of LBC Media Reviews

                          The shooting spark the revolution based off of the remark that Thomas Wayne made calling all the citizens clowns... look at the recent NBA tweets and how they continue to grow in repercussions.

                          • Luis of LBC Media Reviews

                            The shooting spark the revolution based off of the remark that Thomas Wayne made calling all the citizens clowns... look at the recent NBA tweets and how they continue to grow in repercussions.

                            • Frank Booth
                              Frank Booth  6 hours back

                              26:36 good one. I laughed.

                              • Thalanox
                                Thalanox  6 hours back

                                I get the sense that Jay _wanted_ this to be a dumb, simple movie, and therefore ignored any of the subtleties he saw.


                                25:20 "I think this is a one-and-done situation, because how do you do this with Superman?" Superman All-Star. The comic was pretty good, and the animated adaptation of that wasn't bad either. I should go into the archives to see if RLM has reviewed the DC Animated movies. Those movies kick ass, especially compared to their live-action movies. Hell, I'd place most of them above the Marvel Live Action movies, since there's more tone variety in the DC ones.

                                • Vishad Maharaj
                                  Vishad Maharaj  7 hours back

                                  I hate it when they fight ;(

                                  • Ben Vost
                                    Ben Vost  9 hours back

                                    It does mean that the Joker is at least twenty years older than Batman, and that's tricky to justify...

                                    • Alan Grim
                                      Alan Grim  10 hours back

                                      Guys, don't be mad at Jay, this whole review took place inside Rich Evans' mind.

                                      • lordshmee
                                        lordshmee  10 hours back

                                        That interview clip at the end was AMAZING.

                                        • Stephan Dalla Pria
                                          Stephan Dalla Pria  12 hours back

                                          The Joker is a hyperintelligent psychopath anarchist, not some delusional pathetic nitwit. Sorry, Wakeen and Tod.

                                          • Gaming Landscapes
                                            Gaming Landscapes  12 hours back

                                            Gotham is supposed to be an exaggerated, fantasy version of "a big city". Grounding comic book movies in extreme realism is pointless. The riots were straight out of a comic book...

                                            • Tre Contreras
                                              Tre Contreras  13 hours back

                                              This is so pathetic, comparing the media reaction to Joker, to the destruction caused by satanic panic is ludicrous. All Joker got, was a little whiff of controversy. Just a taste of paranoia.

                                              • K.C. Wittmaack
                                                K.C. Wittmaack  13 hours back

                                                Damn guys, this is the first time I’ve felt the complete opposite from you about a movie. It seems like you guys didn’t even watch the film

                                                • Adam
                                                  Adam  14 hours back

                                                  Clown temping agency 😂

                                                  • Planet Sanitizer
                                                    Planet Sanitizer  14 hours back

                                                    Who cries at brother bear

                                                    • HanIsTheMan
                                                      HanIsTheMan  14 hours back

                                                      SPOLIERS IN POST:
                                                      The whole movie is about an individual who is seeking acceptance from a society that doesn't care.

                                                      I am shocked that they didn't discuss the symbolism of the stairs in this review. I believe the stairs are representing Arthur's struggle to join "normal" society. To do what is expected. To behave like everyone else (which he questions in his notebook).

                                                      This isn't a comic book movie. I don't believe this is even a Joker movie. Any elements from the comics (Gotham, the Waynes, etc.) are manufactured in Arthur Fleck's head. I believe we are seeing a man, abused as a child, escaping into his fantasies, which included comic books he read as a kid like Batman.

                                                      I don't even think Arthur left the asylum. He was never released. The scenes in the hospital, both in the beginning and the end, were lit and color-graded completely differently than the whole rest of the movie (almost to the point they looked like they were spliced in from another movie). Those can be thought of as "real," and the rest of the movie is Arthur's fantasies.

                                                      In the first half of the movie, Arthur wants so badly to be associated with the Waynes, even to the point he thought he could be Batman's illegitimate sibling. As the movie progresses, he comes to understand that this could never be true, and his mind rejects the thought. Later, he realizes that the Joker on the other hand could be anyone, and decides to associate himself with that character. Once he does (again, represented by the stairs, as he dances down them as the Joker) he finds acceptance, and is even revered. This could also be an allusion to Milton's Paradise Lost; Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven.

                                                      The reason so much of what happens is "sloppy" or characters don't react the way people normally would, is because Arthur doesn't have an understanding about such things. I don't necessarily believe it is because of the film maker.

                                                      • HanIsTheMan
                                                        HanIsTheMan  14 hours back

                                                        Further, this movie is an indictment of corporate media, PC culture, and the comicbook movie genre as a whole. I love how the talk show host and guest ridiculed Arthur for his "joke" by saying; "You can't joke about that!"

                                                    • Timothy Miller
                                                      Timothy Miller  14 hours back

                                                      Robert Deniro should have been plated by Norm McDonald. Deniro was the weakest part of the movie.

                                                      • Constantine XI
                                                        Constantine XI  14 hours back

                                                        the PROTESTS were kicked off by Thomas Wayne calling poor people lazy, unmotivated clowns equal to the guy that murdered his employees

                                                        the RIOTS were kicked off by one of the protesters on the train accidentally getting shot by the detective

                                                        did we watch the same movie?

                                                        • rooster
                                                          rooster  14 hours back

                                                          Real excited to see Batman directed by David Lynch

                                                          • kasanza
                                                            kasanza  15 hours back

                                                            I have to say I was underwhelmed by the movie but I guess it was better than what the critics proclaimed. It was really obvious what they were trying to convey, but it wasn't powerful nor as emotionally gripping as I had hoped for. I really got amped for the last 30 minutes when things seemed to finally come together but it was as if the film was nearing the end of a jigsaw puzzle but wound up missing a few pieces. It just didn't really come together and felt lost.

                                                            • N8oR
                                                              N8oR  15 hours back

                                                              This movie was like Prometheus and Alien Covenant. No one cares about the backstory of The Joker. Making up all this stupid and nonsensical backstory ruins the mysterious nature of the character. Thumbs down, unsubscribed.

                                                              • The Kid
                                                                The Kid  15 hours back

                                                                Some people really want this second-rate film to be regarded by 'authorities' on the subject as a contemporary cinematic masterpiece. Sad!

                                                                • Wayne Macdonald
                                                                  Wayne Macdonald  15 hours back

                                                                  Taxi Driver is the story of a disillusioned sociopath loner who decides he will wright society through acts of vigilante violence. King of comedy is the story of an obsessed comic who takes a host hostage to get himself on television to become famous. I cannot possibly see how anyone let alone film savants are calling this a copycat attempt. Besides the New Yorkesque 80's backdrop, Robert Deniro, and like 2 scenes used as referenes or hommages there is zero connection to the story lines of either of those movies.

                                                                  • Zulvis Diax Jr.
                                                                    Zulvis Diax Jr.  16 hours back

                                                                    so Jay found the director to be ‘problematic’

                                                                    • DFlav23
                                                                      DFlav23  17 hours back

                                                                      He asks the therapist where will he get his medication. From then on we know he's not on it.
                                                                      When the 'wall street' guys are shot Thomas Wayne basically called the common people clowns. That's why the rise up and use the clown as a mark of the common people.

                                                                      • See Stuff
                                                                        See Stuff  17 hours back

                                                                        15:02 actually something happens with that.
                                                                        There is this scene when the two detictives ask him questions he cleverly shifts the blame to the clown agency by saying they fired because he wasnt funny enoug. hinting towards a personal issue the clown agency have against him which might lead them to throw him under the bus and let one of their workers get away with the crime.

                                                                        • DarthSironos
                                                                          DarthSironos  19 hours back

                                                                          3 people are murdered and nobody bats an eye.
                                                                          A demographic is called clowns by someone from a different demographic because he is sad about 3 people being murdered and everybody loses their minds.

                                                                          • Hydro Cannons
                                                                            Hydro Cannons  19 hours back

                                                                            Joker bankrupted the mafia by burning all their money in the Dark Knight.

                                                                            • Paul Johnson
                                                                              Paul Johnson  20 hours back

                                                                              did the the guy on the right actually watch the film?

                                                                              • Paul Johnson
                                                                                Paul Johnson  20 hours back

                                                                                6 minutes in and you didn't enjoy the hangover, so I already know your opinion is shit ;)

                                                                                • Adam Johnson
                                                                                  Adam Johnson  20 hours back

                                                                                  You guys loved once upon a time in hollywood but not this? I mean, I agree it 2 was bad even though I wanted to love it. I also wanted to love hollywood and hate that garbage. This one I didnt care about but absolutely loved it. It's kinda weird how we agree on some but not at all on others

                                                                                  • TothBrush
                                                                                    TothBrush  22 hours back

                                                                                    He goes off his meds because he has no job and social services had funding cut so he had nowhere to get the meds.

                                                                                    • Mark Smelser
                                                                                      Mark Smelser  23 hours back

                                                                                      The cleverness of the film was the use of an unreliable point of view. It leaves a few concrete hints that Wayne was actually his father. By establishing a delusional point of view into the narrative with the neighbor it’s impossible to ascertain if the joker is a direct consequence of Thomas Wayne’s character flaws. The story itself is insane.

                                                                                      • taistelutomaatti
                                                                                        taistelutomaatti  23 hours back

                                                                                        14:43 But the social worker says in the beginning that he's on a number of different medications already.

                                                                                        • RictorIAG
                                                                                          RictorIAG  1 days back

                                                                                          What you're missing about the movie is that the entire thing is a false memory as told by Arthur to the lady in the mental institution. Compare the time at the end (11:10) to the time when he's talking to his therapist earlier in the movie (11:10). Compare the colors of the wall when he's trying to get the records on his Mom (yellow) to the same place he's being housed and telling his story at the end (white), indicating a memory, not a true event. Notice how he thinks Thomas Wayne is talking to him on TV when he says 'clowns'. And notice how what people are really upset about is the trash strike, not what Thomas Wayne said. Also notice the first time he sees a clown mask (which coincidentally hangs on the corner of the mirror we see him looking into at the beginning of the movie) is when he's having his delusion about going on a date with Domino. The reason the streets are filled with rioters who are wearing clown masks is because it's all a delusion. The only real part of the film is the last few minutes. That's the joke that he said to the lady that she wouldn't get.

                                                                                          • Icydeadnoobs
                                                                                            Icydeadnoobs  1 days back

                                                                                            Just a note on the riots, its more after Wayn'e's speech that triggers it than the killings. The killings started the newspaper articles which is a but if a stretch, but when Wayne does his news speech that's what triggers the gala protests/train frenzy level riots

                                                                                            • Paige Hennigar
                                                                                              Paige Hennigar  1 days back

                                                                                              the only criticism they give here that i totally agree with was his "love interest" it was an obvious twist that i dont think served any real purpose

                                                                                              • TheGhettochamp
                                                                                                TheGhettochamp  1 days back

                                                                                                the transformation is Arthur going from wondering if he even exists, to living in the spotlight.